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. this is not the recovery we all wanted but we're on the road. for mitt romney it does take away one of talking points he has been very big on, number of consecutive months that the number has been at 8% or above, that line is gone from his speech. short term positives are there for president obama but long term you look at the historical numbers in terms of unemployment in presidential reelection years and depth of the political challenges are great here. >> heather: i'll ask you more about historically in a moment but the numbers have been called into question. there is actually a huge disconnect between the modest of new jobs report and significant decrease in the unemployment rate. jack welch, he went to as far to suggest that the numbers may be manipulated by the obama administration. do you think that the numbers add up? >> i think the suggestion that the numbers was cooked is relatively ridiculous. that being said. economists at the labor department will admit freely that there is a lot of margin of error in these numbers. a month after each job report these numbers are revised upward or downward.
romney, no question, that debate was a game changer, but jamie, a debate doesn't win an election, it sets the tone. he has to keep performing, keep talking about what he will do to create a better america and are you better off than you were four years ago. and we have all of these poll numbers dealing with swing states, but the polls that count, would you go to the poll and vote and i believe that people are going to vote their wallets, not going to vote their conscience, not their culture, are you better off and do you have a job. >> jamie: given the economy is such a key issue, doug, i want to look forward to the first vice-presidential debate. without a doubt, paul ryan is a numbers guy and democrats have not even gotten a budget passed. not to mention the fact that vice-president biden is seen as making gaffe after gaffe when it comes to whether or not the last four years have been crushing for the middle class, he's had to backtrack on a couple of statements, i can't go through them all we don't have time. >> we don't have time right now. >> jamie: but what about that vice-president
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